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Green Watt On Board Chargers - A Problem That Needs a Different Solution

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Your on board charger is a small, heavy box that negotiates with the EVSE charger and starts charging your large battery pack. Arcimoto uses the 
Green Watt brand of on board chargers - and those had some manufacturing issues:

They liked to go “pop” - sometimes taking out EVSEs (especially ChargePoint brand)
They were powder coated where they needed to face a cooling surface
The thermistor (temperature sensor) likes to go bad

Overall, they seem to lead short lives. And at $1200+ each, that is becoming untenable. Add in that with Arcimoto’s difficulties, they are unable to take money to sell them, or have money to ship them. And finally, you can’t buy them from the manufacturer because they are in China and need to be purchased in bulk, like in the hundreds at about $1000 each.

We have 2 FUVs and now a Deliverator in pieces that will become a Fuvla. Of the 3 Arcimotos, all of them have had more than 1 on board charger. Rei is on her 3rd charger, SS Beagle on second, and Earl the former Deliverator will be on his second this weekend. Earl only has 800 some miles. 

Some possible solutions:

1. Ensure your water circulation system works. Possibly replace the water tubes with something that doesn’t break down. Upgrade the circulators so that they are stronger and don’t stop working with small particles in the system. Possibly flush the system every year and replace the coolant. Or find a way to put in a sensor that tells you the water is actually moving or what the temperature of the water in the line is.

2. Replace earlier on board chargers with the ones that were modified by the manufacturer.

3. Find a different brand that is reliable and find a way to get that to work. But everything is tied together: the VCU, the BMS, the 104v batteries - all of that stuff expects the on board charger to work a certain way, and put out certain information for the CAN bus system. So swapping stuff out isn’t exactly easy. Then the on board charger has to fit in the space allowed, on top of the cooling plate with a specific screw pattern, now you’ve just made it even harder yet. The on board charger needs to be J1772, do L2 at 3.3 or 6.x - and here we are.
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Where Did It All Go Wrong?

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To pinpoint one single place that Arcimoto went wrong might not be possible. Much like a plane that crashes, it can often take several things going wrong to make it crash. And that, my friend, is what I think happened with Arcimoto. So let’s go through my thoughts one at a time, in no particular order. Much of this is conjecture, educated guessing, and predicted outcomes.

1. Great concept, too early.

Yup, there are a lot of early adopters that love their little vehicle. It gets you from point A to point B without a lot of fanfare (well, there are people that will stop you to talk and ask questions). But right now, a vast majority of people expect electric vehicles to take the place of their gas vehicle counterparts. Completely. And that isn’t going to happen until gas prices get so high that people are forced out of gas cars and manufacturers are then willing to experiment with alternative forms of transportation. 

In addition, battery technology is amazing, but not amazing enough. It needs to be far smaller, cheaper, and less flammable. The push away from gas will encourage this line of technology. And until the technology develops better batteries that compete with gas cars, EVs will play second fiddle to their gas counterparts.

2. Too expensive.

Yup, that cheap gas car and their used car alternatives are simply too much competition for people eking out a living. You need a cheap, under $15k, simple vehicle (with full doors!) for people that need to commute or get around.

3. People want a big car that does *everything*.

The Arcimoto FUV doesn’t carry a whole family for hundreds of miles on a charge. It doesn’t have full doors, heating, or air conditioning, or even a roof rack. It isn’t a car. And it isn’t a 4500 lb Tesla. Sometimes simple is better. But in Oregon, doors are an absolute must.

4. Lots of mechanical issues.

A reliable vehicle that has low maintenance costs is what people want. That requires a vehicle engineered with less parts. And those parts better be over-engineered to hold up over time. When the Greenwatt on board charger ($1000) goes bad every year or two, that is a serious problem. When manufacturer decides to put a $50 12v battery in your vehicle that gets killed if you forget to charge for a week, you have a customer experience problem. When you under-design a brake system that is undersized and difficult to adjust, people end up having to change out pads and rotors in as little as 5000 miles. When you have fender brackets breaking 2, 3, 4 or more times, you have a design issue. And if it gets too cold, the inverters are programmed to give an error putting you in limp mode until you turn off the vehicle and start it back up. And, well, that is just plain dumb, and fixable by updating the programming.

The little beta Arcimoto is a great start but it needs years of fine-tuning to get it more reliable.

5. No service manual or parts list.

It goes without saying that the ability to keep your hooptie running requires manuals and parts. We’ve been asking, and Arcimoto has been ignoring us. I asked around at Arcimoto and found they have a web-based tech manual. They were hoping to capitalize by offering a subscription. And this will likely never happen. I also found they do have a parts list. But either analysis paralysis, lack of priority and/or money, or assembly line changes causing various vehicles to have potentially different parts have kept them from releasing this information. I also heard that some techs had to reverse engineer in order to trouble-shoot problems.

6. Selling a vehicle that has no doors.

In January 2019, we got an offer to purchase a FUV with a $5000 deposit. Assuming they were ready to manufacture, I threw in the deposit. I had no idea they didn’t even have FVMSS testing completed, let alone needed changes in order to pass the aforementioned federal safety standards. Even worse? They had no idea of how to design the doors. It took all of 2 years to make doors they were happy with. Then another year to figure out how to manufacture them.  So people getting their Evergreen FUVs had to wait for the doors that they had paid for. And the saddest part? There are still people waiting for doors to this day. Their vehicles have been long out of warranty.

7. Alluding to full doors that were simply not possible.

Alright Rick, there are videos that allude to the full doors. Yes, full doors were mentioned. They were never promised. That said, they designed the vehicle without doors, then tried to add them on after the fact. It just doesn’t work with all the curves and angles to have hinges and doors work correctly, especially if the doors are next to each other on a frame that bows both outward and at an angle. The upper frame looks cool but geez what a door nightmare.

8. Missed most goals.

We got that mass production was the goal. We got that the cost of parts was 40% higher because they weren’t purchased in quantity. But the chicken and egg problem might have been better managed. I really don’t understand why they put themselves in a do-or-die position by purchasing the RAMP manufacturing plant. They spent so much time, energy, and money just cleaning, painting, re-wiring, and re-designing the plant. It just feels like they put the cart before the horse. I wish they would have stayed at the AMP’s smaller manufacturing plant until they were actually putting out, say 50 vehicles a week, instead of the 3-6 that they never seemed to get past.

9. Misuse of money.

I loved the idea of the Mean Lean Machine. Except for the name. And likely weight. And the fact that Arcimoto took $10M and a lot of time, energy, and resources to buy Tilting Motor Works which led to the MLM prototype. Granted, TMW is probably the only money making machine they have. But it sure is going to be hard to make money when there is no power in the building they are using to do the conversions.

10. Lack of communication with customers.

Oh lordy did Arcimoto take the old saying to heart: “if you have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything.” The lack of responses to calls and emails plagued Arcimoto from the very start with “where is my Evergreen in the queue.” Holy shit did they mismanage the whole Evergreen rollout. From taking $5000 deposits to actual delivery took between 8 months and 18 months. Nowhere near the start of sales did they inform people the vehicle hadn’t even passed FMVSS testing. That took 6 months.

Once deliveries took place, service had to be planned and implemented. So they decided to take one or two guys to simply trailer the vehicles from the owners (limited to Oregon, California, and Washington sales area) and haul them back to Eugene for service and warranty repair. In the meantime, customers are asking “when can I get service?” and “when will the service be done?” often with days or weeks of radio silence.

And it is sad of me to admit, but as of March 2024, the lack of electricity and internet at their Eugene Service Center smells of the final days of Arcimoto. And it makes me cry. So naturally there are no returned calls. No returned emails. And I have no idea of how the few FUVs I saw in the service center are getting back to their owners.

11. No dealership or national service system.

Servicing a vehicle is an absolute necessity. It seems Arcimoto focused solely on manufacturing, then tried to figure out the servicing part afterward. Which is weird. It seems that you would need to do both at the same time. What I do know is that Mark Frohnmayer preferred to release all needed service manuals and documentation. But for whatever reason, it didn’t happen in any sort of way. So not only do THEY not have a full shop manual that includes schematics for their own internal service techs, but owners won’t have one either. And even though the intention is to have Arcimoto do all the service work, you either can’t get to a service tech or they can’t return calls requesting service. So you are now stuck with a vehicle that can’t be serviced without Herculean effort to reverse engineer in order to troubleshoot by someone that isn’t with Arcimoto. 

In the beginning, Arcimoto hauled vehicles all the way back to Eugene, Oregon for warranty work. And that is super expensive. They then hired mobile service techs, only lay them off or have them quit to find a more stable job. So servicing, for the most part, really is up to the owner - who has no parts list or manual.

12. The ATVM loan never came through.

For a few years, Arcimoto was hoping to qualify for an Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing Loan Program (ATVM) loan through the Department of Energy to expand their manufacturing. The application was never approved so that funding ($25M-$50M) never came through.  

13. Three wheelers were left out of federal subsidies/tax credits.

An absolute huge boon to Arcimoto would have been making 3 wheelers available for federal tax subsidies through tax credits. Even $2500 would have made a big difference. In Oregon, we go a $2500 manufacturer’s rebate bringing the $19,900 Evergreen model with doors down to $17,400, a pretty good price for everything you got. But noooooo, only 4 wheeled EVs and 2 wheeled EVs qualified. It is really too bad Oregon’s congressional representatives could fight harder. And we even had Defazio on the transportation committee 🙄.

14. Started with bros in a frat house and never really grew up.

If you watch one of the Arcimoto Youtube videos, you find Mark saying “we’re in our 40’s now, it’s time for our marketing to mature and get super professional.”  I just don’t think that ever happened. I had come across one person that was hired by Mark off of Twitter. That’s not “super professional.” 

15. Board of Directors were not diverse.

Which brings me to their board and absolute lack of diversity. For many years it was all men, most that Mark knew. They finally got one woman. 

16. Founder didn’t care about money.

And finally, Mark had admitted he didn’t care about money. He didn’t want to become rich, he just wanted to make the world a better place. Unfortunately, the word was they spent money like drunken sailors. You could see how many marketing people they hired (to run around to campsites?) and how much real estate they bought, rented, or leased. It was a lot. They were spread all over Eugene. At one point they had people in 6 buildings. 

So where is Arcimoto now? 

In a very, very bad spot. If you own a FUV and are not able to fix it yourself, it isn’t a good thing to own at this moment. Many of us are waiting for the shoe to drop: Arcimoto has a large loan that was due last month. I suspect they have been working on a Chapter 11 to re-organize and make agreements with companies they owe money. It greatly saddens me and I still love all that they did and all that they stood for. You could feel it in the people that worked there: they loved the idea of the 3 wheeled EV motorcycle. We had a blast with the various rallies and events. It felt like family.

I’m hoping that even if Arcimoto is no longer there to service the vehicle, we, as owners, can band together to keep them going. Like a family, we support each other through thick and thin. I’ll tell you, I won’t give up on my FUV and I’ll do everything to help you with yours.







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Broken Fender Bracket Woes

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Many have experienced broken fender brackets. Under warranty, Arcimoto will either replace the bracket or send one to you. Email support@arcimoto.com and get a ticket number. Make sure you include your name, phone number, address and VIN. Describe the problem and, if possible, show a picture of the broken bracket. Then ask if they can ship you one under warranty. Try not to send yours back. 

Don’t drive while it is broken, it can break further and get stuck in your wheel causing damage. Either park it, remove the bracket, or tape it with gorilla tape temporarily.

If you are out of warranty or get them to send you another bracket without having to send your broken one back, you might be able to try to re-weld your bracket. Remember, the left and right side brackets are not interchangeable. That means if your right side breaks, you’ll need to fix or order the right side bracket - and vis-versa.

One Arcimoto employee that worked on strengthening the bracket said:
Add half inch strips of steel up as high as you can along side the arms and reinforce any stress risers in the areas where they already cracked.

They seem to most often crack right where those arms/reinforcing-ribs end, and there is a stress riser. 3/8” square bar might be a good size to try, welded up along side that rib.”
Here is a compilation of self welded brackets.

Weld #1



Note from Facebook poster: Two stiffeners of 1/8" by 1/2" hot-rolled steel bar from the hardware store. If I redesigned it I would leave out the ribs and replace them with a 1/8" flat doubler in the stress area. 

Weld #2



Note from Facebook poster: Welded it with an extra piece of metal to help support it.

Weld #3







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Trailering Your FUV

There are times when trailering your Arcimoto FUV is necessary. For instance taking it to or from a service center, hauling to a rally, or just taking it somewhere fun like the beach. And with hauling, there are some key considerations.

Firstly, the FUV is 61 inches wide. Anything less than 65 inch gets very tight, and loading can get very anxiety provoking, especially if the ramp is wet.

Uhaul rents two 6 foot x 12 foot trailers. One has a ramp. DO NOT RENT THE UHAUL TRAILER WITH RAMP. It is not wide enough at the ramp end.

The other 6x12 trailer is a rock hauler. It has no tie downs rings or ramp, but it is wide enough. If have a vehicle beefy enough to haul this and setup to haul about 3000 lbs, it might be an option. You can purchase or rent at least 2 ramps (3 preferable), make some simple wheel chocks, and get some car tie downs from Home Depot and there you have it - a nice and simple, cheap way to haul.

Some pictures of strapping and home made wheel chocks for the front:

Interstate Rentals in Portland, OR has a 6 x 12 tilting trailer that has worked for someone but it is heavy and requires a vehicle rated at hauling 5500 lbs

There are some trailers that do work. Some options are listed under “Trailers and Straps”:

Why the 6x10 trailer with ramp doesn’t work:
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Arcimoto SEC Report for Q3 2023

Arcimoto has released the 3rd Quarter SEC report (3 months late):

https://s3.amazonaws.com/sec.irpass.cc/2532/0001213900-24-012237.htm

A reddit user did a great job of summing it up:

In the quarter that ended in September (this was almost 6 months ago). They sold $1.1 Million dollars worth of stuff. They lost $14.0 Million dollars to do it. That's right - for every dollar they took in, they spent $12.73. This isn't new either. The company has been doing this poorly for their entire history. 
As of September they had only $232,000 on hand. That's 1.5 days worth of their losses. 

They have mortgaged everything and they are such a terrible credit risk that they are getting almost criminal interest rates. They got a six month a mortgage on their buildings/land and they are paying 20% interest plus another 10% in fees this year. The mortgage needs to be paid in full in this February.

They list a bunch of assets on their balance sheet but few of them are actually worth anything: Their buildings are, but those are mortgaged, the rest of the things they possess are specific to building Arcimotos, which hasn't worked out and won't likely be tried by anyone else. There is nothing there. 

They filed this report 3 months late. signed and filed by the CEO and the CFO who happen to be the same guy.”
 https://www.reddit.com/r/Arcimoto/comments/1apbgxp/q3_2023_10k_finally_released/
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Parking Brake Actuator

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If you want to know what moves your parking brake, it is an actuator. Located on the left side by the foot of the passenger. Can’t quite get the part number but now we know where it is located and what it looks like. I will say, it looks a lot like this DC Electric Linear Actuator Motor Aluminum Alloy Linear Motion Actuator 100kg Load 50mm Stroke 12mm s (12VDC)

One member of the Arcimoto Owners Facebook Group noted that their’s was replaced. You can apparently adjust it by grabbing the lever with pliers and forcing it back in, thus being able to adjust the cable correctly.

If you need to disengage the parking brake but have no power, some people have been able to use a 12v charger on one side the yellow plug to move the actuator.






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FUVs for Sale

Arcimoto FUV Parts - Can We Purchase Any?

It sounds like Arcimoto Support may (or may not) be shut down. That makes me wonder about any parts they might still have in stock. Does anyone out there know if Arcimoto is able/willing to sell parts to owners? I’d like an extra gearbox, brake kits, fender brackets, onboard charger, and anything plastics related.
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How to Get Help Troubleshooting Your FUV


Go online to either Facebook Groups: Arcimoto Owners or FUV Club. Ask the group to help you. Make sure you describe your problem fully, or you won’t get people to help you - or you’ll just frustrate people.

If you have a charging problem, answer the questions:
Does the screen light up when you touch it?
Does the vehicle turn on? 
Did you use another charger? 
Does the charging bar at the bottom of the screen move? 
Are there any errors on the screen at the bottom like HV, 12v or other? (take a picture and share)
If there is an error, what color is it - yellow or red?

If you have a problem with the throttle, answer the questions:
Does throttle problem occur after a engaging the throttle following a stop at a light or sign?
Are there any errors on the screen at the bottom like HV, 12v or other? (take a picture and share)
If there is an error, what color is it - yellow or red?


Because all Arcimoto phone numbers, Arcimoto.com, and support@arcimoto.com are not working at this time, the following instructions SHOULD NOT BE FOLLOWED:

1. Email support@arcimoto.com to get a service ticket. 

Make sure you email your name, address, phone number, and vehicle vin number. 
Describe the problem IN DETAIL. 

2. Finally, call support and ask for an update to your ticket. 541-780-0032

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